Which adhesive for Cole & Son gold on black wallpaper?

[groggs]

Hi there,

I recently purchased 2 rolls of a Cole & Son gold on black non-woven based paper over in the UK and forgot to purchase the special Coles tub paste for this. Is there an equivalent adhesive here in the US I can buy that does not contain PVA, PVC, cellulose, powder paste, and "harmful" preservatives? They suggest a traditional style prepared tub paste applied thick and rounder than usual, and pasting the wall rather than the paper.

I would love to avoid staining and any adhesion problems. It is only a small area, 8ft x 3ft and I would like to try hanging it myself.

Thanks in advance for any advice!

[Cliff Hayes]

Funny, this exact same situation was brought up on another forum. Apparently Cole & Sons is touchy about preservatives and fungicides in paste. Maybe they're referring to after market additives. If your material is truly a non-woven wallcovering, almost any clear pre-mixed adhesive will work. Roman Adhesives Ultra Clear Pro 880 is one of the best available. Some paperhangers have had staining problems with Dynamite 234 Clear paste, so steer clear of that particular paste for this application. Shur Stik and All Pro are two other names to look for. You can find professional adhesives at better paint stores, for instance those that carry the Benjamin Moore line of paints. Sherwin Williams also carries most of the Roman Adhesive pastes. A one gallon bucket will be plenty. Ask them to shake it for you.

[groggs]

Thank you so much for your advice--I feel confident about the Romans 880 and will give it a go. Thanks for being such a great resource, most appreciated!

[Bill Archibald]

Georgina,

It was I that posted the message on another forum that Cliff spoke about.

I immediately discounted using 880 because of the high solids. I do not know whose substrate Cole & Son uses for their non-woven, but the Alhstrom substrate has been known to be susceptible to blushing or staining with use of a high solids paste.

What irritates me, is that according to their disclaimer:
"Use a ready mix wheat or cellulose clear tub paste. These adhesives must not contain fungacides or preservatives. We cannot accept responsibilities for any other adhesive used."
we are not allowed to use any paste made on this planet. ALL premixes (that I know of) have preservatives and/or fungacides.

We are between a rock and a hard place.

I think I may be using GH-34. It's a premix wheat and I have NEVER had a staining problem with it - - even on tests I did with an Ahstrom substrate that did blush with 880 & 234.

Let us know if you what you decide and how it turns out.

-Bill

[Boston Hangman]

They suggest a traditional style prepared tub paste applied thick and rounder than usual, and pasting the wall rather than the paper

They may be right on pasting the wall. I have had problems with blushing on some non wovens. I haven't hung this one from Cole & sons but the dry hang method is probaly the safest, possibly two coats of evenly applied 880 or GH 34.

Mark W
Boston

[Cliff Hayes]

Good call, Bill. I never think to consider GH-34, but only because nobody in my area carries it. Out of sight, out of mind, as they say. Of course, as paperhangers, we're all out of our minds. The next time I come across a non-woven, though, I'll peck around for some GH-34. That used to be my clear paste of choice, ages ago. They made a lighter one, too, GH-14. I used both of them extensively in the late 80's. For stringpaper, I relied on ShurStick C111 Ultra Clear. (Now that I think about it, it was like a premixed Ecofix P7.) And then along came Roman's 880 in the black label, and I never looked back.

[groggs]

Thanks so much everyone! I am going to purchase the GH-34, been a bit slow taking up this project (probably through fear!), so it was worth the wait in the end!

[ejf.216]

I realize this is slightly dated but I've been searching all over because my paper hanger wouldn't touch my Cole and Sons wall paper until I found an equivalent to the "Coles Tub Paste" that's unavailable in the States.

So for anyone out there-- Cole and Sons US Distributor recommended "pre-mixed wheat paste" but no specific brand. I called Roman Adhesives and they recommended GH-34 as well.

[Bill Archibald]

Liz,

When I called Lee Jofa (US distributor of Cole & Son) they said GH-34 or 838 were both suitable substitutes.

Now, I find it is interesting that Roman Decorating recommends GH-34, because they are in the process of "changing their distribution". It has become exceptionally hard to find, although we were told one could "special order it". That's all very well and good in theory, but for a store to "special order" something, their distributor needs to carry it. One of the major distributors in this area, Rite Way, does not stock it. Who are the stores going to special order a small amount from?

But I would suggest you check out any Lowes in your area. They have been carrying it and some stores have some left.

Good luck.

-Bill

[Jeff Evans]

Liz, which Cole is this, and does it say non- woven on the label? If that's the case then many of us have had success dry hanging non -woven's from Cole with Dynamite 234 or Roman's 880. It seems a lot of the British paper companies are changing their substrates by going either thicker, or more coating on the face, or just switching to non-woven material. This has thrown a real wrench in the works for us, especially when terminology accross the pond regarding adhesives varies from ours here.

[Bill Archibald]

And it puts a paperhanger in a bind. When the instruction specifically call for one type of paste that is unavailable, I can understand how the lowly hanger would be reticent about using something else, no matter HOW many people have had success with it. Some of us just have the luck of, "jeesh, I've never had THAT happen before". Then who is responsible?:cry:

Sometimes one needs to try to nail down the manufacturer to name a specific paste. Otherwise they will ALWAY have an out. :bash:

Wouldn't be nice if we could get a written guarantee from the paste guys that "XYZ" is suitable for a specific paper? :roflmao:

-Bill

[Boston Hangman]

if it is a pulp Cole & son.....

Line with blankstock:2thumbs:

and

Romans 880:thumbup:

if it's non woven...dry hang with 880, liner is optional, but I like it.:llama:

Mark
NGPP Boston

[adam bishop]

You will get the very best reults by using their own adhesive if you can get it shipped.
An English tradesman.