Glass Bead Wallcovering

[Dr. Paper]

Anyone have any tips or pointers on hanging a 100% Glass Bead on a non-woven backing. Instructions say no front cutting and all cuts are to be made from a template by pre-cutting the backing, and that won't be any fun!! Thanks,
Still hangin' in New Orleans.

[Chris Nelson]

Go to the top of the page and under "search" type in "bedazzled "

[Dr. Paper]

No matches found for bedazzled.

[ProWallGuy]

Yeah, I got a lot of hits on the Beadazzled, with plenty of pictures here too.
Unfortunately, they are all in the NGPP members only section. :(
Hang tight DR., this is the NGPP convention week. When we all get home, I'm sure some will post here on the knowledge of Maya/Beadazzled.

[Dr. Paper]

guess thats why I'm no longer a member, no benefits. Will figure it out on my own as always.

[ProWallGuy]

guess thats why I'm no longer a member, no benefits. Will figure it out on my own as always.
Funny post there Dr.
All the NGPP members are experiencing the benefit of getting together and networking, sharing ideas, solving problems, etc. as I type.
There are several members who frequent this forum who have hung yards upon yards of this stuff, and share it all right here on this forum. Unfortunately, they are all benefiting themselves and others at the convention at this time. To experience that benefit, you need to be a member. And if you were still a member, you could be perusing the member forums, and gaining all the knowledge you need on this particular product. And I know first hand that when you join a trade association, you only get out what you put into it. I personally have reaped a lot of knowledge from other members. It is this benefit that personally keeps me coming back. The guild offers no benefits? Good luck with your project. :2thumbs:

[Dr. Paper]

The reason I say no benefits, only 1 member in the area, already know her and talk to her regularly. No chapter here, no meetings, etc. (New Orleans). But the product is not Bedazzled, it is Inovations Murano out of New York. I've obtained a lot of information and have the experience to hang it, the problem is we have very high humidity, usually over 70% in the summer. A NY hanger said not to use VOV to hang, just non-striptable clay on the ceilings and ns clear on the walls. Both of these products are subceptible to moisture and I don't want the material to fall due to it's heavy weight. Sorry to Dis the NGPP but all attempts have failed in the New Orleans cut-throat market, I've found very few that will work together.

[Mary Farrell]

make a template of the wall you are hanging and then hang it. Remove this pattern. lay it on the floor or large table and cut out a piece that is esactly like that one. then bring ithe cut out biece of beaded paper to the wall and see if it fits. if it does then put glue on the wall (clear) and bring beaded paper to the wall and smooth it out (GENTLY). The room should be empty no sink no toilet no top molding no baseboard. Good luck

[Dr. Paper]

Ouch, templets?! It's an elevator lobby with lots of small tight corners and a two step ceiling to hang. Guess ya gotta do what 'cha gotta do.

[Jeff Evans]

I personally met at leat two people from the New Orleans area at the convention. One was Belinda Comboy, the other a gentelman whose name escapes me but Chris Murphy spoke at length to him at the Pub Crawl. When people write on these forums it's difficult to discern their true feelings sometimes simply from the written word. Please know I have only the best of intentions, and say this without any attitude whatsoever. To leave the Guild due to no local chapter is a copout. There are workshops throughout the year, forums like this, friends to call on all over the country. A lot of folks got back nearly all of their yearly dues over the weekend from all the free stuff the vendors gave away. I don't make a lot of my LA chapter meetings and still benefit immensely from my membership. Come back into the fold, brother!;)

[Buff1]

Well said, Jeff and Tim!

Bert, I am an At-Large member: There are only 18 members here in Virginia and there are no chapters within a 2-1/2 hour drive of my location. Heck, there are only 3 paperhangers that I know of (including myself) in a 50 mile radius of where I live and neither one are members of the Guild, although I am working on that.:D

Since finding the Guild four years ago, I have seen my business grow, my skills improve, and I have gained a network of friends and colleagues that I know I can call on for advice for any situation, be it tweaking a contract, dealing with a difficult customer or just sharing something interesting that happened on the job.

I hope you’ll consider joining us again.

[Paul Sullivan]

The benefit of any volunteer organization comes from well, volunteering. My area has a disintegrated chapter as well. But I didn't volunteer my time or dollars to make it to the last convention. The result? No benefit.

As it turned out, I really did have too much work. We'll see what happens if I keep that crap up, LOL.

[Chris Murphy]

guess thats why I'm no longer a member, no benefits. Will figure it out on my own as always.

There are 3 members in NO, and one of them hung the Bedazzled glass-beads in a casino there.

I think you received pretty good come-backs from a few of the members here. I really don't get the attitude of "What did I get?," considering the price for membership at-large is a piddling $150 a year. As Paul said, you've got to give to get.

[Dr. Paper]

[QUOTE=Jeff Evans]I personally met at leat two people from the New Orleans area at the convention. One was Belinda Comboy, the other a gentelman whose name escapes me but Chris Murphy spoke at length to him at the Pub Crawl.

O.K. already, I met with the other gentelman, I presume, Dennis, and we discussed the wallcovering. It's nothing like bedazzled, as per him. I will re-join the guild. Happy now? Thanks for all the input, although most of it was on the guild, not the material. After talking to Dennis, I really don't think the bedazzled string would have done anything but make me more aprehensive. What I've learned: Bedazzled sheds it's beads and is difficult to work with. My glass is smaller beads and is on a non-woven backing. I've carried a 4x6 piece in my pocket for a week now to test for wear, bend it, crease it, rough it, no damage, no loss of beads, (and it cut's easily from the front, even with sissors.) Don't think this will really be a problem.
I'll post a picture with details after installation, 2 weeks from now. Thanks again.

[Dr. Paper]

O.K. I've re-joined, back in membership (I think). Now do I get a break? Looks like being an ex-NGPP member is worse than being an ex-husband. (not that I would know, still on number one since 1989 on 10/07).

[Gary Lucas]

O.K. I've re-joined, back in membership (I think). Now do I get a break? Looks like being an ex-NGPP member is worse than being an ex-husband. (not that I would know, still on number one since 1989 on 10/07).

Yes, you get a break - actually several breaks. You are no longer in the crapper.:D As of now, you can access the members-only section of the bulletin board. Plus when you get your member number you can access the members-only section of the website.

Welcome back Bert.:)

Gary Lucas

[Paul Sullivan]

O.K. I've re-joined, back in membership (I think). Now do I get a break? Looks like being an ex-NGPP member is worse than being an ex-husband. (not that I would know, still on number one since 1989 on 10/07).

Welcome back :tiphat:. Hope we didn't make you feel like calling this guy :lol: ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Patrick

[dgauthier]

hey everyone, bert has rejoined. i am also seeking my brother who is a paperhanger and a couple of more in new orleans. belinda and the rest of us are trying to get enough for a chapter. i was totally inspired by the convention.

dennis

[Chris Murphy]

O.K. I've re-joined, back in membership (I think). Now do I get a break? Looks like being an ex-NGPP member is worse than being an ex-husband. (not that I would know, still on number one since 1989 on 10/07).
Bert, yer a helluva guy. Thanks for coming back. And I say that knowing full well that in less than one year from this date you will thank us for pushing you to rejoin. But you gotta belong to the only organization that looks out for you. And $150 is peanuts. You'll meet most of us in NO in Jan., or thereabouts, when the Tech Tour and Charity Hang comes around. Check your future Installer, and this website, for announcements.
I haven't hung the Innovations; 54", no? Alan Rada (see member's list) has done it also. Dennis is a good man, got a great wife and helper in Rhonda. he sounds to me like an "A" game hanger; what he says, is.

[Chris Murphy]

hey everyone, bert has rejoined. i am also seeking my brother who is a paperhanger and a couple of more in new orleans. belinda and the rest of us are trying to get enough for a chapter. i was totally inspired by the convention.

dennis

Dennis, it was great meeting you and your beautifull wife/partner, Rhonda. Hope all goes well and we meet again in January.
As a chapter member-Atlanta- and a former officer (Regional Director), I can tell you that having a chapter has great benefits. But it is a lot of work, organizing, phone calls, etc. You can do almost as well meeting for dinner, lunch etc. on some type of schedule, or quarterly, till the group has a feel for each other and what it wants, like, where to meet. Paint or paper stores would probably welcome you, but timing can be a hassle. We do that, and then order pizza, or sandwiches. Works for us. But they have to stay 1 1/2 hrs. late as we meet, so we give them a few months off by going to other places (local library, Christmas party, yearly dinner on the chapter, convention month off, etc.).
You folks are dealing with a lot right now, I feel for ya. But you're a good group, so the situation will only get better.

[Dr. Paper]

O.K., hang is scheduled for next Wendsday beginning @ 2:00 A.M. (to avoid elevator traffic). Will post pictures if I can figure out how. Looks like it might be easier than expected, ceilings only with drop-downs and steps. Thanks Dennis for all you help and encouragement, and everyone else that has posted. Got my $150 worth already. Please include me in the charity hang in January!

[gadams]

Bert,
I have been hanging the glassbeaded wallpaper" Beadazzled"here in Atlanta since it first arrived from the Chicago showroom.I am also familiar with the Innovations product "Murano" although I have not actually hung it.The major differences in the two products are :the weight(Murano has a lighterweight backing as opposed to Maya's heavy backing),the width 28.5" for Maya or 54 or therabout for Innovation, both will be rather heavy when pasted and really requires a second person to help "drop' or unfold the product when applying to the wall.I know the Maya Romanoff product comes with very nice factory edges and I am not sure whether the "murano" has a selvage or not, but it being 54 " makes one think it may .If that is the case I would imagine it would have to trimmed from the back as we trim down "Beadazzled" lenghts for going into a corner and such.Wrapping outside corners shold be fine with "Murano" as it is a thinner product,make sure they are pre sized.234 would be my choice of adhesive but be careful not to let it wrap under your edges when pasting,one of the biggest problems we have seen is paste on the edges that gets down between beads thats very difficult to remove and highlights the seam( I saw $9000 worth of Beadazzled ruined this way when sent to troubleshoot a job in Birmingham this summer).

[gadams]

Bert,
A couple of things I forgot to post yesterday on the glassbead wallcovering.Priming the wall the same color as the wallpaper is essential to a good installation as there may be small voids at the ceiling line or base,we use Ultra-prime or BM Fresh start deep base or1-2-3 deep base primer for the darker colors, keep in mind your razor knife will be tracking around beads creating the irregular line and this is the most time consuming part of the install(figure it in to your pricing).Sometimes we create full panel templates for drops that are particularly irregular and some hangers are using templates for every strip.Some are measuring the exact lengths of the strips and cutting exact from the back side ,your primer helps compensate for any discrepencies. Proper storage of these products is mandatory .They can distort if stored on their side(its own weight will crush it, must be stored on it's end)this pertains to"beadazzled"full length and I would assume "Murano" also,"beadazzled" wall tiles should be stored flat.Good Luck and keep us posted

[Chris Murphy]

I have cut Bedazzled with the tool below as true as need be; see http://ngpp.org/lounge/showthread.php?t=1479
I template & score, then cut with the snips, but I have also skipped the scoring step. Note that on the Photo Forum I cut it well enough to butt the cut edges at an outside plaster corner (wavy & out of plumb): hard enough with more forgiving materials, the snips were accurate as I needed them to be.

I suppose tinting the primer would be added insurance, but I've never had to go that route, with any material.

[gadams]

Chris,
I'll have to try the snips.I have acually used a small pair of fiskar moustache sizzors for cutting out fine details of this product .If you have hung "Beadazzled Geode" you know that it is a different animal.It having three different size beads makes it much tougher to trim as your scizzors/razor will stop dead in its track when it hits a big bead tracking around the bead . Don't know how the snips will handle that.I still think triming these products from the back is the way to go.I am in touch with Maya Romanoff's installer in Chicago, exchanging techniques,if we come up with anything new i'll post here.You are correct, no one should ever apply a primer depending on it to handle their shortcomings it is only a precautionary measure andI choose to err on the side of precaution.Of my half dozen or so "Beadazzled" and"Geode"installations from"Bianca to "Caviar "to "Scotch&Soda",on ceilings and walls, all have been a success and hope to have many more.Guy adams

[gadams]

Correction on the matter of storing "Beadazzled" and "Geode": It is the Full length panels that need to be stored on end and the"Beadazzled" wall tiles that should be stored flat.

[gadams]

A couple more tips on the "Beadazzled ".Make sure you are cognizant of the fact that these panels shed beads,these are tempered glass and can damage floors when loose under drop cloths or when trapped in your shoe soles and walking across floors.Sweeping or vacumming after each strip may be necessary.Also for the black"Caviar" when a bead falls off it leaves a white or light spot which can be repaired with a black permanent marker and then glue on a bead or not it works great and will work for other colors as well if you can get markers close enough in color.You can also soak scrap pieces of" beadazzled" in water and the backing will delaminate,leaving beads with the color still attached(some patterns are only clear beads attached to a colored background}this will help when trying to separate beads for touch -up as most of us will have some touch-up with this product.

[Chris Murphy]

One thing I forgot to add about the snips: they crush the beads. That is why they work where a scissors or razor only comes close. The snips will, like the other cutting tools, first push the beads out of the way, but will crush others that are in the direct line of the cut.
I'll soon find out how well they work on Geode.......

[gadams]

Chris,
That was my next question,whether you were actually cutting through the beads or around them. Now I can visualize this method . Are you not left with an abudance of glass shards? Hope you are wearing safety glasses.


Bert,
Give us an update on the "Murano".

[Bill Archibald]

Bert,

Not sure if Innovations beads are attached the same way as Bedazzled, but it appears Bedazzled beads are adhered to the substrate with a type of hot glue. One of our Boston Brethren, Greg Kahler, hit upon the brilliant idea of using a heat gun just before cutting. Use the template method as suggested here, but then when you cut, either with blade, rotary trimmer, shears, or snips heat the material 'til its adhesive has softened. What this does is to allow the beads to be moved by the blade to one side or the other of the blade. We tried this at the Media PA Maya workshop and IMO it produced the cleanest cuts with less bead-voids. There is a short learning curve to heating to the correct temperature in front of your cuts. I noticed when we were testing, that heating it from the back was the most successful method.

Now, as to the Innovations material, I have no idea if the heating method would work.

this heat 'n' cut method DOES take longer, but the results are superior.

And welcome back to NGPP, see how much you've benefited already :tiphat:

-Bill

[Chris Murphy]

No, a few get crushed, not thousands, but still the crushed beads are like....sand. Now,the Geode when cut (couldn't get a picture where the glare didn't hide the details I wanted to show; I'll work on my camera skills), that's got some big, ugly pieces of glass, still adhered. Not sharp enough to cut my finger, though, so it'll just need 'normal' attention.
I drop off everything real well, so it hasn't been a problem in the past, but yes, I'm very conscientious about the beads. Safety glasses? They had that warning with my first batch; I'm thinking, yeah, right, I can't even cut through them, how the heck am I going to shatter them? I'd be concerned more of a ricochet off another surface, but I may wear my glasses just in case....Thanks.

[Dr. Paper]

It's up!!!d:( Started the hang at midnight, finished at 7:00 A:M, 5' X 12' ceiling with 18" dropdown. O.K., here's the skinny, manufacturer said absolutely no VOV, non-strip clay as prep, non-strip clear as adhv. for back of material. (thought of colored primer but clay negated that). Material had selvage and was pre-trimmed from the back for width to fit the ceiling, material is 56" un-trimmed. Seams were said to show so were balanced in the avail. area. The dropdown area was run in single pieces to eliminate seams, only 18" wide. The corners were cut using a mitre rod and olfa ABB blades, tried single edge at the beginning but they were not as effective. The cuts did take multiple passes, 6-10, but were very effective since I was only cutting about 6" at a time. (next time I'll order a longer mitre rod). Although cut from the front, they were were still tight and looked as good as a templet I had tried prior to the installation. I was able to cut my light fixtures with my Fiskars and then a pair of Cutco sissors, both ruined however. The sissors easily cut until destroyed. ( a cost factor for next time). Many push pins were required to hold the material on the ceiling until final position was obtained, the clay held great was positioned. Overall, the seams looked great, better than expected. I've now been asked to wrap a piece of crown moulding for the top corners, a small outside moulding for the botom corners and hang the remaining ceilings and possibly the lower walls. It was an experience, but I got it done. It's not what the experience does to you, it's what you do with the experience!:toast:

[gadams]

Oh yeah,forgot to mention the ruined scizzor aspect.I've got two pair.I use the heavy commercial grade olfa knife ,with ab blades as they seem to hold up longer against the beads than the abb's.Scoring continously until you get through the backing ,you can then gently pull the two pieces apart. Maya specifies v.o.v. on the ceiling.Glad your installation went well.Count me in on the charity hang ,too .

[Chris Murphy]

So, Guy, you've rapidly changed from a "lone wolf" to a committed member. It's great to see, and now you can relate to the other hangers in ATL your take on why the Guild is a "good deal."

[Dr. Paper]

Yeah I'm committed alright, or at least I should be committed to somewhere after that midnight hang.