Old school

[Buddy Rose]

Want to buy a brass bound straight edge

[Jeff Evans]

Good luck. You and everyone else wants one, but they're not made anymore. I've never seen any for sale used- anywhere- but you never know. Word is Advance was going to start making them again, but I haven't heard anything of late about that.

[Bill Archibald]

Buddy.

I was going say "you and everyone else" but I see Jeff beat me to it. :2thumbs:

This post just to let you know Jeff speaks the truth and for many others. He has researched this thoroughly, and has tried to convince suppliers of the demand.

[HangingInThere]

All mine "unbound" except for one side of one of 'em... :(

Anybody else have the same experience??

The adhesive used to affix the edges I am not at all sure what it is...but it is difficult to remove to get back to a position to be able to readhere them.

I suspect the gauge of the brass might be a tad bit more than a siding metal break could handle to get an exact 90. Perhaps the solution might be to have someone procure the brass in the correct gauge and width and have a machine shop break it. It might be cheaper even if the brass bound could be straight out purchased.

Eunice, don't you deal regularly with a machine shop??

[Jeff Evans]

Now is a good time to tell how i don't miss my brass bound straightedge anymore. I bought gobs of lead tape from a golf club supply store and taped it all underneath. I have done it to both my 5' and 6' models. I have the weight of the brass now, but the cost of the tape worked out to something around $40 per SE. But still, what are my options if I want a heavy SE?

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[HangingInThere]

I never thought too much about the weight of a brass bound as I did about the aluminum marks I would have to contend with on some papers...

Rumor has it that the magnesium edges don't have that problem...

[master hanger]

Now is a good time to tell how i don't miss my brass bound straightedge anymore. I bought gobs of lead tape from a golf club supply store and taped it all underneath. I have done it to both my 5' and 6' models. I have the weight of the brass now, but the cost of the tape worked out to something around $40 per SE. But still, what are my options if I want a heavy SE?

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Weight? I'm lucky I can carry my table now with my 40 years old mag SE. Wait a minute.... I have a son to do that.

[Bill Archibald]

Rumor has it that the magnesium edges don't have that problem...



Mg also marks some papers. Not as much as Al

All my straightedges, Mg and Al, have blue tape on the bottom where they contact the paper.

No more marks and it helps a wee bit with slippage.

[master hanger]

Used to have a 3 ft brass edged, wood SE from my dad. Gave out way back when along with his 10 knot.

I do have a 6 ft brass edged wood (marked in 1/4"). Real nice someone gave me when I did a job. Keep that one on the "B" table. Just to used to the mag.

[Jeff Evans]

My Magnesium straight edges don't mark up the paper, and I have no tape on them. I like an extremely heavy SE, obviously, and that's what I missed the most about the brass. But they do add to the weight of the table setup for sure.

[Rusty]

The one problem I have had with the magnesium straight edges is the paint finish always peels off.Maybe I am not cleaning them enough.:confused:

[Bill Archibald]

My Magnesium straight edges don't mark up the paper, and I have no tape on them.

It din't happen often, and it's been so long since it has happened (because of the tape) that I'm gonna hafta guess it was that very flat B&F ink that was susceptible. You know, the stinky ink. :D

[Jeff Evans]

I have a house full of stinky ink right now. B&F, China Seas, a stinky Schumacher oddly enough, and other papers. I can hardly wait to get the boxes to the job on Wednesday.

I have a small problem with flaking paint on my Magnesium models, but I don't like the Aluminum ones.

[knockaert]

I have a brass bound so adding weight is not an issue for me. A less expensive way to add weight to a Mag or Alum. is to go to your local tire shop and ask for the lead weights that are used to balance custom wheels. They are thin and have adhesive on one side. I used some back in my sons "Pinewood derby days", to add a little weight to his entry. The tire shop told me "Take all you want". No charge.

[Eunice, PRS Reporter]

Could you or someone post a few pictures of a BB SE? I saw one at a convention years ago. but would like to see the guage of the brass, how it's wrapped, attached and what kind of SE it is fastened to. I think I always assumed they were wood. If a brass channel can be attached to the edge of a metal SE it might be something a shop could do. The more photos and close-ups of ends/sides tops the better, and I'll get it checked out.

[HangingInThere]

Eunice, did you get my PM regarding the BB SEs?? I sent a PM to parodi awhile back and it got intercepted by the NGPP headquarters or something...perhaps I'm being watched? :eek:

My BBs are all on aluminum straightedges. They are simply affixed using some sort of nasty adhesive...that eventually has given up the ghost. All mine are on the I-beam style of SE. The I-beam style themselves work fine, but they can be easily pressed and leave an indent... With the BB it gives a nice flat side to lay on the wallcovering which eliminates any indents.

I would prefer, though, to BB my flat side aluminum Advance SEs. I suspect that handling the BBs on the I-beam style over time might have had them "flexing" in the void created by the 90 over the center portion of the SE. Mine would come loose on the ends first and then work their way to the centers until they eventually came off.

I'll certainly shoot some pics of mine unless someone beats me to it... I can also take exact measurements on the brass itself as I have mine saved hoping to one day reaffix them.

[Jeff Evans]

My BB gave up the ghost at least 20 years ago, but my memories of it are that I got truer cuts with Aluminum and Magnesium models. Maybe it's the way they affixed the brass, but I was never happy with it. It would seem to me that trying to add brass and have it be dead accurate is very difficult. I'm very happy with my custom models now, and I would probably only buy a BB for old time's sake.

[gadams]

I'm going to get some lead tape.:D

[HangingInThere]

This is taken from the NIH.gov site:

There are many possible symptoms of lead poisoning. Lead can affect many different parts of the body. Over time, even low levels of lead exposure can harm a child's mental development. The possible health problems get worse as the level of lead in the blood gets higher. Possible complications include:

Reduced IQ
Slowed body growth
Hearing problems
Behavior or attention problems
Failure at school
Kidney damage
The symptoms of lead poisoning may include:

Irritability
Aggressive behavior
Low appetite and energy
Difficulty sleeping
Headaches
Reduced sensations
Loss of previous developmental skills (in young children)
Anemia
Constipation
Abdominal pain and cramping (usually the first sign of a high, toxic dose of lead poison)
Very high levels may cause vomiting, staggering gait, muscle weakness, seizures, or coma

[Chris Murphy]

For chrissakes, they're using lead to weight the straightedge, they're not sucking on it.

[Jeff Evans]

Well, that may explain some of my problems, but it doesn't account for the great seams I get while trimming. :lol:

Here's the link: http://www.golfsmith.com/products/9068/Golfsmith/1

I think I used 3 of these rolls per SE, but it was a long time ago, and can't remember. That might be one of the unlisted symptoms.:devil:

[Bill Archibald]

Back in the 80's my partner and I both suffered from elevated lead levels. We were involved with a serious repaint of an old farm house (many areas stripped to bare 1800's wood). The sanding and scraping of lead paint is a normal hazard, but we decided to really mainline the lead by burning the paint off the window shutters. The smoke went into our lungs and into our bloodstream. The doctors were impressed with our very effective delivery system.

When tested he was about 58 ppm and I was 52. We were extremely elevated but not at the levels requiring treatment. Some of the symptoms listed were noticeable, especially irritability & headaches. Avoidance of lead fumes and dust quickly brought our levels down. Last testing I had was well within "normal" safe limits.

Lead poisoning is a real and present danger for painters and others who rehab old homes. That said, you need to get it into your blood stream to do yourself harm. This will not happen by the mere occasional handling of it in it's solid form.

If anyone would like instructions on how to poison yourself, let me know. :thumbup:

[Boston Hangman]

This is taken from the NIH.gov site:

There are many possible symptoms of lead poisoning. Lead can affect many different parts of the body. Over time, even low levels of lead exposure can harm a child's mental development. The possible health problems get worse as the level of lead in the blood gets higher. Possible complications include:

Reduced IQ
Slowed body growth
Hearing problems
Behavior or attention problems
Failure at school
Kidney damage
The symptoms of lead poisoning may include:

Irritability
Aggressive behavior
Low appetite and energy
Difficulty sleeping
Headaches
Reduced sensations
Loss of previous developmental skills (in young children)
Anemia
Constipation
Abdominal pain and cramping (usually the first sign of a high, toxic dose of lead poison)
Very high levels may cause vomiting, staggering gait, muscle weakness, seizures, or coma


Hallelujah, so that's what's wrong with me I've often wondered about those symptons , especially the reduced IQ ,attention problems and the irritability..Thanks:tiphat:

[Bill Archibald]

Hallelujah, so that's what's wrong with me I've often wondered about those symptons , especially the reduced IQ ,attention problems and the irritability..Thanks:tiphat:

Yah me too, :rolleyes: but the doctors said low IQ, ADD, poor scholastics, etc were from exposure to young developing children. I think it was up to age twelve. Not many of us were sanding, scraping, and burning lead at that age.

However, the doc did say that one should be careful and change clothes before going home so the lead dust is not brought home to the infants.

[Lee Epstein]

OK, so if all you rocket scientists are so concerned about your superior IQ's why don't you put a slight bend in your magnesium straight edges. When you press down on the straight edge it will lock in tight on your table or on the wall. Without the extra weight.

[HangingInThere]

For chrissakes, they're using lead to weight the straightedge, they're not sucking on it.Chris, you can't know that for sure...
Yah me too, but the doctors said low IQ, ADD, poor scholastics, etc were from exposure to young developing children. (Italics mine)That I can certainly attest to...wait, was that supposed to be worded differently?? Could be residual effects from the lead exposure...that confusion part, maybe...

Although I've not met any of you personally to confirm any suspicions, our conversations here on the forum often leave me in a state of confusion. At first I wasn't sure if it was me or my imagination. After reading the NIH info I think it could go either way. Who wudda thunk that exposure to people who were exposed to lead could lead to confusion.

[Jeff Evans]

OK, so if all you rocket scientists are so concerned about your superior IQ's why don't you put a slight bend in your magnesium straight edges. When you press down on the straight edge it will lock in tight on your table or on the wall. Without the extra weight.

I shoot for having a slight dip in my table, but I like the principle you're talking about. I'd be afraid to bend my SE, risking it would bend in more than one way.:D

[Lee Epstein]

Just stand it up and put your hand center at the back and push slightly. Check the bend if it needs it a little more do it again. It won't warp it the wrong way. Just the way you push.

[Boston Hangman]

Good times:thumbup: