Maya cost

[master hanger]

Curious. Doing a job for a old time customer of mine. Met her designer yesterday. Showing her 2 maya. The bead with the design,(forget the name to lazy to go to the site), for her dining room. The living room is that 36 metallic weave. The designer charged her 43.00 a yd for 54" vinyl for her laundry room.(type 1 nothing special.) Don't get me wrong, designer feed my family, so I'm not placing blame. I just have a feeling she's going to blow her away with a price on the maya stuff. Anyone know an approx. retail?

[gadams]

Will it affect your pricing because it is expensive,or do you charge based on the degree of difficulty.If it is the latter, why should the price matter to you.Designers have to make a living ,too. The beaded glass with a pattern ,is either" Beadazzled in Relief" or "Beadazzled Bijou " , and shall we say, a little more time consuming than the grasscloth with metallic ribbon "Abacadazzle."None of it is cheap.

[Bill Archibald]

Maya has alot of materials that should be templated, such as beadazzled. The common practice is to price them at 3x a normal install.

[master hanger]

Will it affect your pricing because it is expensive,or do you charge based on the degree of difficulty.If it is the latter, why should the price matter to you.Designers have to make a living ,too. The beaded glass with a pattern ,is either" Beadazzled in Relief" or "Beadazzled Bijou " , and shall we say, a little more time consuming than the grasscloth with metallic ribbon "Abacadazzle."None of it is cheap.


Won't effect my pricing at all. I welcome unusual installs. Charge accordingly.

The price matters to me because when designers price the job out of the world, guess what ends up on the cutting room floor. Tell me someone who hasn't been there way to often.

When I know a vinyl costs, (at best), 12.00 per and see the bill for 43.50 per, I start to kiss my hopes goodbye for a romanoff install when that number comes accross.

Thanks for the reply. So, I'm assuming you don't know?

[gadams]

I am willing to bet the vinyl you think is 12.00 is alot more,and then even if it is 12.00 what are you going to do tell the designer they are charging too much. Then you will end up somewhere worse than the cutting room floor. You have to charge what you think you need ,to hang ,any particular product. It may depend on how flush you are at any given time. I do the showroom here in Atlanta and know the prices but I am not allowed to share.Sorry.I can tell you to figure at least three times as much time for templating beaded glass and ceilings are tortuous and allow time for double pasting Abacadazzle, for a tricky trim.

[master hanger]

I must be explaining this all wrong. I"m not asking how to price an install. I've hung this before. I'm sure you have found it's no more difficult than some other unusual items . Has it's own set of issues to deal with, but get to charge accordingly

Guess I'll just ask another designer about the Maya material cost. Some sort of well kept secret it seems. Thought with all the certified installers, someone would know the cost. Figured a simple question/simple answer. No big deal.

BTW....I used the vinyl reference to gauge where this designer is coming from. New designer to me, and the days of blank checks are over.

Like alot of us, I've walked the "designer tightrope" for many years. Getting all those materials that will look like crap no matter what, reading those instuctions on how it's suppose to look that way, then having to install knowing dam well the designer never explained how it would look. We're left to see that blank stare on the clients face with the thought... I paid how much for it to look like that??? Been doing this too long not to have the client/ designer on site to sign off on that "unique look" before I do it.

I love designers, then provide me a great living, and 95% of what I do. Have a great stable here in the NE I've been working with for years. Just know the drill with the good and the bad.

I'd love for the client to move forward with the Maya, just get a bad feeling here. Thanks again

[Chris Murphy]

Guess I'll just ask another designer about the Maya material cost.

I don't know the cost of the specific stuff you've got. When I need to know, I call the showroom and ask; they've always told me. And the reason I'd ask, is if the amount of material starts to get to the point where the wallcovering may cost more than the house, I don't want to waste anyone's, including my own, time.

[master hanger]

Thanks . I hear ya. Wanted to get a handle on this before I head out of town to work for the week.
Nowadays I try to stay in the loop. Don't think this designer's got my back here. BTW, checked the site, it's the 28.5" x 9yd panel of the leaf bead.(26 panels)

[Bill Archibald]

Apologies Dennis,

I read it as though you were asking cost of installation.

When we were at the Media PA workshop a few years back, the cost of Beadazzled that was being tossed around was about $125/yd, and it was claimed that was designers cost. But that was the "regular" Beadazzled and four years ago. Sometimes I don't want to know material costs and designer's mark up. I never get warm fuzzies when I hear this info.


<SNIP> ....then having to install knowing dam well the designer never explained how it would look. We're left to see that blank stare on the clients face with the thought... I paid how much for it to look like that??? ....

Ain't that the truth. Nor do they explain fully the total costs of one of the "exotics" with installation. So by the time we submit a proposal, the HO is looking at a total of $3000 - $5000 for a powder room. Talk about sticker shock and too often a rethink on going with wallcovering.

[gadams]

Neither insatallation, nor purchase, of said material, is for the weak of heart or soul:D Just the shipping cost of 28 panels of heavyweight beaded glass might be enough for a small house downpayment.:D

[gadams]

By the way Dennis ,if you do get the job ,be adamant about everyone following Maya's storing instructions. Each box should be stored in a climate controlled area on end as opposed laying flat ,like we usually prefer .It will crush itself if not .

[master hanger]

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Ain't that the truth. Nor do they explain fully the total costs of one of the "exotics" with installation. So by the time we submit a proposal, the HO is looking at a total of $3000 - $5000 for a powder room. Talk about sticker shock and too often a rethink on going with wallcovering.

Quick story... Spec'd a job for maya mother of pearl in a part of this Manhattan apartment This dec wasn't the brightest bulb in the box. (dumb like a fox).Told me the maya was way to expensive for the main entry hall.

So they decided to marble the walls instead!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got to be kidding me

[master hanger]

By the way Dennis ,if you do get the job ,be adamant about everyone following Maya's storing instructions. Each box should be stored in a climate controlled area on end as opposed laying flat ,like we usually prefer .It will crush itself if not .

Thanks for the tip Guy

[Eunice, PRS Reporter]

So Dennis, did this job ever come through? I'm late catching up on a lot of the BB threads lately. I can give you pricing on Maya, but it would be Canadian $, which is probably 20% more (sometimes even higher that that) than USD. Quite a rip off considering the exchange is closer to 10%, but I guess they cover for fluctuation.

I hear you on the material cost blowing a job. Had an interesting experience a while back with Philip Jeffries embroidered Manila Hemp. Client had a sample from a home decor store that has some wallcovering samples also. We were already doing work in her condo and she asks for a price to supply/install the product in the foyer. I decide to route the supply through the store since it was their sample, but I have an account with the distributor and know wholesale cost. it's $138.50/yard sold in 8 yard bolts, no cuts. Retailer wants to give me a 'special' contractor price of $249.30. This would make the cost of her foyer $12,000 which is ridiculous. I try to explain to arrogant young retailer that such a markup is unsustainable (yes, lower price products are routinely doubled, but there is a threshold at which the markup becomes a percentage. I think $4400 profit on making a phone call to a supplier is a bit much) I actually talked with the distributor's local rep, just in case maybe it was me who was out of touch with what the market will bear, and she said, no, at that level, usually the markup is 30% and sometimes less.

That being said, I had one designer who routinely doubled both material and my labor. When I found that out I was gobsmacked. Part of me thought ' wow, if she can get that from the client then I need to charge more' but interestingly, she didn't have a lot of repeat work. She went in for the big kill, but I think it left people feeling gouged. I also decided that as long as she paid me what I wanted, I shouldn't care what she makes - without her I wouldn't have had the job anyway.

Back to the first story, the retailer wouldn't go below a 50% markup, so that's what I presented to the client. (He should have had more appreciation for my honesty, because I could have just cut him out of the loop and he'd have never known.) Anyhow the client freaked. told me a story of how when she was a little girl she remembered being sent to the store and her mom yelling at her because she bought the wrong potatoes that were two cents a pound more. Many wealthy people (self-made) remember a time when they were not, and although they may want luxury, they are not stupid. So the embroidered hemp was a no-go. She is however going to use Jacobsen & Balla, which I later showed her - another deadly expensive wallcovering, but the project will come in at 6k not 12. So there you go. Not sure if you're following all the ramble here, but basically I agree with you and think that there is a threshold for everyone. A clever designer will stay just below that so that all - supplier, designer, installer and client win.

[master hanger]

So Dennis, did this job ever come through? I'm late catching up on a lot of the BB threads lately. I can give you pricing on Maya, but it would be Canadian $, which is probably 20% more (sometimes even higher that that) than USD. Quite a rip off considering the exchange is closer to 10%, but I guess they cover for fluctuation.

I hear you on the material cost blowing a job. Had an interesting experience a while back with Philip Jeffries embroidered Manila Hemp. Client had a sample from a home decor store that has some wallcovering samples also. We were already doing work in her condo and she asks for a price to supply/install the product in the foyer. I decide to route the supply through the store since it was their sample, but I have an account with the distributor and know wholesale cost. it's $138.50/yard sold in 8 yard bolts, no cuts. Retailer wants to give me a 'special' contractor price of $249.30. This would make the cost of her foyer $12,000 which is ridiculous. I try to explain to arrogant young retailer that such a markup is unsustainable (yes, lower price products are routinely doubled, but there is a threshold at which the markup becomes a percentage. I think $4400 profit on making a phone call to a supplier is a bit much) I actually talked with the distributor's local rep, just in case maybe it was me who was out of touch with what the market will bear, and she said, no, at that level, usually the markup is 30% and sometimes less.

That being said, I had one designer who routinely doubled both material and my labor. When I found that out I was gobsmacked. Part of me thought ' wow, if she can get that from the client then I need to charge more' but interestingly, she didn't have a lot of repeat work. She went in for the big kill, but I think it left people feeling gouged. I also decided that as long as she paid me what I wanted, I shouldn't care what she makes - without her I wouldn't have had the job anyway.

Back to the first story, the retailer wouldn't go below a 50% markup, so that's what I presented to the client. (He should have had more appreciation for my honesty, because I could have just cut him out of the loop and he'd have never known.) Anyhow the client freaked. told me a story of how when she was a little girl she remembered being sent to the store and her mom yelling at her because she bought the wrong potatoes that were two cents a pound more. Many wealthy people (self-made) remember a time when they were not, and although they may want luxury, they are not stupid. So the embroidered hemp was a no-go. She is however going to use Jacobsen & Balla, which I later showed her - another deadly expensive wallcovering, but the project will come in at 6k not 12. So there you go. Not sure if you're following all the ramble here, but basically I agree with you and think that there is a threshold for everyone. A clever designer will stay just below that so that all - supplier, designer, installer and client win.


Right on:thumbup:

Believe it or not I'm still waiting for the material. BTW the designer switched to abacadazzle to cut cost. 96.00 a yd. I had checked for availabilty and it was in stock and the rep wanted to sell to me over the phone. (64.50).

Designer still ripping her pretty good, but what bothers me most is I could have had it 8 weeks ago!!!!!!

[Eunice, PRS Reporter]

Glad the job came through for you. There's a thread somewhere on here about that material - it's a beast unless double pasted - at least that's what's coming to my memory. I've never hung it, but filed that nugget away and I would look up the thread if I knew it was going to come across my table. Not sure if it was Jeff Evans or Guy Adams who made the post.

[cgreene]

I find it very hard to go out on estimates where client is already hooked up with store or designer with a very high end price for paper and they say thank you for the estimate. I have to see if I can afford the paper and you. It is so hard not to direct them where you know they could get it cheaper. So if the store or designer loses sale so do you. But that is the trade off for being loyal to the hand that feeds you.