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cgreene
06-19-2009, 08:38 PM
Somebody has finally heard our ROAR or somebody just got smart either way I am happy to share with you that I have hung several dark colored papers lately including today from Graham & Brown. Today's paper was called Enchant-Ultramarine. The paper "ends" were the same color as paper.:tiphat: Made for much nicer seams without the dreaded white flashing out. The ends were not perfectly done, but almost. It's a thinner non-woven, and will scuff if your not careful. Instructions say to paste paper. Hangs really nice. Looks great. Everybody looks good.:llama::disco:
Carolyn

HangingInThere
06-19-2009, 11:08 PM
I too have hung a few where the paper stock at least approximates the surface background color, especially notable with some blacks...they were awesome. I didn't have to do any watercoloring.

Almost anything but the dreaded white helps with the dark color seams. If they're a pretrimmed pattern that you can't re-trim to a good 90 it's nearly a given that the factory trim will be beveled exposing the paper stock...

Bill Archibald
06-20-2009, 11:45 AM
Have seen a bunch of those lately. The stock wasn't colored, but the bolt ends were inked. The first was a red Zoffany in 2002:

http://billarchibald.com/images/chaundin.jpg


The seams were absolutey PERFECT. I actually had to double cut a seam after turning an outside corner, and it warn't as good as a factory seam.

Gary Lucas
06-20-2009, 01:10 PM
Nice balance job Bill. The ceiling line / chair rail line placement is perfect.:2thumbs:

Lee Epstein
06-20-2009, 01:19 PM
Yeah Bill I agree with Gary. My compliments to the carpenters for giving you straight ceiling and chair rail lines to work with. ;)

Bill Archibald
06-20-2009, 08:42 PM
Thanks for noticing and commenting guys. I do hope you also noticed how the image in the mirror shows the other corner and aligns the vertical elements.

Sometimes the powers that be make it look like we know what we're doin' :toast: :distracted:

blauvelt
06-21-2009, 04:33 AM
"Sometimes the powers that be make it look like we know what we're doin' "


And sometimes I wonder if they ever notice our genius. I like playing with mirrors. Especially wall to wall (like over a vanity) by splitting the pattern in half and starting at the mirror. A few weeks ago I had an oriental with two China man facing each other. I cut one out and started at the mirror. Did the same thing from the other side and threw it off over the door. Think anyone noticed?

Chris Nelson
06-21-2009, 07:40 AM
Think anyone noticed?

Only another paper hanger:lol:

Bill Archibald
06-21-2009, 08:56 AM
Only another paper hanger:lol:

Ya got that right !

However, reported at a chapter meeting a while ago was the story of the HO who did not like the striped wallcovering that had been installed (by another less experienced hanger). Turns out it had not been balanced and this made it unpleasing to the HO. With a properly balance room, she loved it.

Somethings throw people off on a level they do not understand.

blauvelt
06-21-2009, 09:31 AM
One thing that gets my goat about stripes is when they put the seam down the middle of one stripe or give you say a quarter of an inch of one color on the edge? Idiots! I don't put up with it. If the stripes are wide enough I always knock that little bit off and if I have to trim paper from 27" to 20" to make it work where one stripe butts another stripe I'll do it.

Maybe by the time I get in tonight someone can tell me what balancing a room with stripes means? If you mean say centering the headboard wall with a stripe I got it. Otherwise I'm lost?

Bill Archibald
06-21-2009, 09:42 AM
Basically you got it. The focal wall should be centered so the corners have equal width of the same color stripe going into them.

Where I have problems (and usually fun) is when a major architectural element is off centered. Stripes start expanding and shrinking to allow it to be balanced.

http://www.billarchibald.com/images/ochall1.jpg


Notice how the paper around the door is properly done. That was with smoke and mirrors.

On that one I came out of each corner (knowing the door was going to be within 1/2" of being correctly placed) and adjusted each strip a little.

blauvelt
06-21-2009, 09:57 AM
Yes. Very nice. You can also work that same kind of magic with grass cloths and other paneling papers.

Bill Archibald
06-21-2009, 12:03 PM
Yes. Very nice. You can also work that same kind of magic with grass cloths and other paneling papers.

Actually I think most of us consider it SOP for textiles and such, rather than "magic". I still hate it when a door or window is off center. Last one I had, I called two hangers, one said balance the WHOLE wall and forget the door and the other said balance the walls on either side of the door. I was impressed that I only received TWO answers to that one question :roflmao:

I chose to balance each wall unto themselves and it looked good. But again, there is no one size that fits all - each job is unique.

LaRusso
06-21-2009, 12:10 PM
Nice topic installers. Bob I know you can do it, for you are sharing and that is what we are about.

Nice info and I am sure you have a lot more to offer.


To Bob and the rest of you Dad's out there have a wonderful Father's Day, eat, drink and be merry!

Vincent J. LaRusso
Metro Regional Director

blauvelt
06-21-2009, 12:59 PM
Bill, I find with grass and such I can work down to 29" on adjacent walls without it being noticable. I don't like turning corners with half or so pieces if I don't have to. In other words If the headboard wall works out to 5, 35" pieces and the two walls coming down say come out to 7, 29" pieces I'll do that. In the case of an off center door like the one you spoke of I'm on the side of the guy who said balance the wall.

Thanks Vincent. You have a great fathers day too.

Bill Archibald
06-21-2009, 01:29 PM
fer sure, there are all sorts of ways to balance.

I remember Jeff Evans describing to someone about splitting strips in a corner and how it makes each look wider - or something like that.

I hopes he pipes up here and reminds what that was. (He's still young enough to have a memory)