wheat base tub adhesive?

[Jeff Evans]

You misunderstood me. Add paste into all those other things I will discuss and dissect. I would be the first in line for the stuff if it were sold here, but my impression is that you have to order it from England. Hey, I have no problem with getting it sent with the paper, as long as the client's covering the added cost. But I still maintain it ain't something we can't duplicate with our own products. And I get it that you are covered by the company if you use the paste they recommend.

Have you ever read the hanging instructions for de Gournay? They're seven or eight pages long. When they get around to paste, they mention the aforementioned Beeline paste, with all its fun spoilage and clumpiness. Then they say if you're in the USA you can use 880. That's when I decided that this magic tub paste must not be so magical afterall, if de Gournay suggests we use Roman's 880 on their delicate products and doesn't insist that we import the "good stuff".

Bottom line, I'm not saying that using it is a copout, or a sell out. I'm just saying that it isn't out of the realm of possibility that I can get very close to it with what I have at my disposal already.

[paypr mn]

Thanks guys for all your input. Seeing as I had to hang the flock the next day I could'nt very well wait for paste from overseas. I used the 838 without much difficulty,but you do need to apply liberally. I imagine the moisture content of the tub paste is perfect for soakingand softening,seeing as how you have to paste the wall. I did mix wheat and clay about 25 years ago by the fellow hanger who taught me. I guess the stuff never dies.

[master hanger]

[QUOTE]

I imagine the moisture content of the tub paste is perfect for soakingand softening,seeing as how you have to paste the wall. QUOTE]

curious, why the need to have to paste the wall?

[paypr mn]

Inregards to pasting the wall, just my affinity to following instructions. I imagine I could have pasted the sheets.It was a dark brown on brown and I was concerned about stains.

[Jeff Evans]

Probably a non-woven substrate. In that case moisture in the paste isn't your friend.

[Parodi]

You misunderstood me. Add paste into all those other things I will discuss and dissect. I would be the first in line for the stuff if it were sold here, but my impression is that you have to order it from England. Hey, I have no problem with getting it sent with the paper, as long as the client's covering the added cost. But I still maintain it ain't something we can't duplicate with our own products. And I get it that you are covered by the company if you use the paste they recommend.

Have you ever read the hanging instructions for de Gournay? They're seven or eight pages long. When they get around to paste, they mention the aforementioned Beeline paste, with all its fun spoilage and clumpiness. Then they say if you're in the USA you can use 880. That's when I decided that this magic tub paste must not be so magical afterall, if de Gournay suggests we use Roman's 880 on their delicate products and doesn't insist that we import the "good stuff".

Bottom line, I'm not saying that using it is a copout, or a sell out. I'm just saying that it isn't out of the realm of possibility that I can get very close to it with what I have at my disposal already.

Jeff, I say "why try to duplicate" paste products when you can make better ones at home. Paste is made of starch and water, Cookies are made of starch and water (with sugar). Why try to duplicate a Nabisco "Chip's Ahoy" cookie when there are a million better recipes for home-made chocolate chip cookies?

Manufacturers of paste have many considerations that ONLY AFFECT THE MANUFACTURER not the paperhanger. They worry about cooling off of cubic miles of paste, they worry about the paste being stored in a warehouse in Phoenix in the summer or in a Minnesota warehouse in winter. Is the stuff freeze thaw stable? Is it resistant to mold in the bucket? Is the color uniform from batch to batch? Of course their most important consideration is the commodity prices of the bulk ingredients. That is for the Chips Ahoy people to worry about too...not us.

I have found out that manufacturers of paste do not understand a lot about their own paste as far as what it does to different materials. They also muddy the water by making blanket recommendations/warnings that take on a life of their own and contain little of value for the hanger.

DO NOT DILUTE! was the warning on the old 234 by Evans. A whole subculture of misinformation sprang up to surround this dire warning in the paperhanging community. All sorts of conjecture came to life. Unable to contain my curiosity anymore I called Evans Headquarters to find out what happens when you dilute 234. I was told if you dilute it and keep it around for a while it will turn sour in a hot truck. Brilliant! Who could have known....